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Home My WebLink AboutAgenda RAB 052013 Golf WorkshopCity of Palm Beach Gardens Recreation Advisory Board (RAB) Golf Course Workshop May 29, 2013 The City of Palm Beach Gardens conducted a workshop following its May 20, 2013 Recreation Advisory Board (RAB) meeting to discuss proposed improvements to the Palm Beach Gardens municipal golf course. The agenda for the workshop included: 6:10 Welcome, Introductions, Purpose of the Workshop, Review of Agenda 6:20 Background Information: • City Council Funding and Direction • Review of Staff Visioning Workshop Notes • Western PBG Land Development Patterns, Trends, Issues 6:30 Break-out Groups: • Phase One, Golf Course Renovation ($1.7 million) • Phase Two, Golf Course Expansion (TBD) 7:30 Presentations (3- 4 minute summary from each group) 7:55 Summary Wrap-up, Next Steps, Adjourn Following introductions and background information, participants were divided into three groups: 1) Golf Course Renovation: Greens and Approaches 2) Golf Course Renovation: Fairways and Tees 3) Future Golf Course Expansion Following are the notes from each of the groups. 1) Golf Course Renovation: Greens and Approaches Questions for Discussion: • Type of Turf on Greens: pros of cons of different type grasses? Faster grass/health/appearance? • 'Pinnable' Area and Slopes of Greens: What holes have issues, especially with quicker turf that won't hold the ball? • Surrounds and Approaches: Do layouts work? Any proposed improvements? Drainage issues? • Bunkers: Drainage, locations, number? • Increased maintenance costs? Discussion: 1.1 Type of Turf on Greens: • Recommendations from Sanford: Two types of Bermuda grass to choose from: Tifdwarf or Tifeagle (Mini verde and Champion are unproven) • Tifdwarf — 9-10 on stemp meter • Tifeagle —10-12 on stemp meter; 15-25% more time and maintenance cost; tight, fine grass 1.2 Hole -by -Hole Analysis: Hole 1: Cut out turf in front of green and bring water in. More land on back of green to prevent balls from rolling into water. Hole 2: Waste bunker on right -side approach Hole 3: Bunker on right side of green Hole 4: Hole 5: Bunker behind green, reduce sloping in middle and top left of green Hole 6: Bunker on left side of green Hole 7: Bring water from 6th hole in front of tees and connect to wet area on 81h hole Hole 8: Bring water in front of 8th green Hole 9: Protection from driving range... reduce slope on right side of green... bunker on right side of green Hole 10: Long bunker on left side of fairway Hole 11: Bunker on right side of green Hole 12: Reduce slope on green Hole 13: Waste bunker along 2nd turn of fairway or create a berm Hole 14: Reduce slope of green... bunker on right side of green ... waste bunker on right side of fairway Hole 15: Sand bunker along hill of green but keep slope of green to push balls onto green... elevate tee to a platform over the marsh Hole 16: Reduce slope of green... bunker on back side of the green ... berms between holes 14 & 16 Hole 17: Reduce slope on back right side of green... bunkers on both sides of green Hole 18: Reduce slope on back right side of green... bunker on back right side of green 2) Golf Course Renovation: Fairways and Tees Questions for Discussion: • Tee Size: Which ones are most critical for expansion? (prioritize) • Tee leveling: Which ones most problematic? (prioritize) • New tee areas to help playability of course? • Desirable height for rough? • Type of turf for fairway and rough? • Fairway bunkers: drainage, placement, number? • Hole design or layout: any changes, including 'mounds' on holes? • Cart paths: specific drainage problems? • Increased maintenance costs? Discussion: 2.1 General • Cart path: try to maintain visual of hole as you golf rather than path • Tees: level tees (widen / lengthen tee boxes especially ladies & par 3, 800- 1000 sq./ft. per tee box) • Slope away from water or increase rough to hold ball • Include general landscaping/ shaping and positive drainage on cart paths 2.2 Hole -by -Hole Analysis Hole 1: • Seal off pond for range balls • Left side of fairway off the tee needs to be less forgiving • Eliminate palm trees at the corner of dog leg • Visibility down the right side • Level the fairway • Make red tee larger (both wider and longer) • Red tee too close to bunker • Right side of green too wet (drainage) • Curve of dog too much slopes to water • Relocate bunker on left side • Remove second bunker and add second bunker front right of green • Containment of the shot down left side Hole 2: • More trees or sand on the right side of fairway in the rough area between holes 2 & 9 • Leveltees • On right causal water make larger drainage between holes 2 & 9 • Tree on left side eliminated • Bad tee wide in front narrow in back • Drain lake on right hand side • Lack of definition in V la • Raise right side of fairway to keep the balls from running into waste area • Put bunker on right of green Hole 3: • Drain lake between holes 3 & 8 • Raise the right side and fill in the low water filled area all the way up the right side • Move sand trap to be in front of green Hole 4: • Expand sand trap to be in front of green • Bunker on right front side of green • Drainage between holes 3 & 8 • Level tees Hole 5: • Drainage improvement along right side • Connect the white & red tees boxes to give more room to moves tees • Add a bunker on right side of fairway at the 150 yard • Add strategy to the tee shot (add bunker) • Drainage water on left instead of causal water • Fill in and raise the cart path to prevent flooding on the left side • Raise right side to prevent flooding Hole 6: • Level tees • Add bunkers left side • Possibly raise left side along the water to stop ball hawking Hole 7: • Tees are very un-level • Drainage between holes 7 & 8 (make lakes connecting to main lake on hole nine) • Definitely raise the fairway to stop flooding • Add a sand trap in front of green Hole 8: • Tee box level plus connect white and red tees • Fill in the right to prevent flooding Hole 9: • Fairway toward green kicks sharply right toward water • Add bunker in layup area • Raise the right side of fairway to prevent flooding • Make red tee larger • Waste bunker on inside of 1" la • Level tees (open chute from tee to fairway) Hole 10: • Good • Bunker inside of dog leg hide cart path • Move sand trap from the right side of the green to the left side of the green • Approach shot on the right side of green should been level Hole 11: • Connect tee boxes (blue white and red) • Bunker in front of green • Move sand trap from the back of the green to the left side of green Hole 12: • Level tees • Make white tee box deeper to prevent tee box from turning to sand Hole 13: • Bathroom ( not a port a potty) • Containment left of 2"d la Hole 14: • Fairway pitches slopes too much to right • Add trees or berms between 14 & 16 Hole 15: • Connect and widen tee boxes • Level tee boxes Hole 16: • Levels tees Hole 16 Fairways/Tees Hole 17: • Level tees • Good hole Hole 18: • Level tees • Water change 3) Future Golf Course Expansion Questions for Discussion: • Clarify the goals and objectives for the project: what do we want to accomplish through improvements, enhancements, and/or expansion of the PBG golf course? • Review and discuss the proposed improvements from the Visioning Workshop (Exercises 2, 3). Add, delete, and/or clarify the proposed 'Phase 2' improvements. • Review and discuss the "Recommended Next Steps" from the Visioning Workshop Summary. List suggested revisions to the recommendations. • Review the "branding concepts" and proposed project names from the Visioning Workshop Summary. Record comments regarding a preferred concept/ name, or a new suggestion. Discussion: 3.1 General • Meetings/banquet room/birthday parties/rentals • Weather/covered space • Expand clubhouse • Who is the client? • What is the market? • Entrance • Market —Jupiter Civic Center • Building footprint — 5 acres limited • Banquet — more profit • Acquire more land • Country club — add additional amenities • Have fun 3.2 Additions • Multipurpose room • Swimming pool • Keep look & feel of golf course • Watch noise factor • Connectivity to airport • New, improved entrance • Restaurant — tie to clientele • Target based on demographics and playing fees • Market study — reach more residents... increase resident % of total golfers • Proximity • Mirrors 3.3 Marketing Efforts • Improve communication • Use uniqueness of course to make improvements — wetlands, nature • Use brand — exploit what we have • Experience of current environment 3.4 Future • Future annexation western hub — recreation • New clubhouse • Improve outdoor deck • Redo cart barn 3.5 Arrival Experience — First Impression • Camouflage maintenance building • Canopy road • Road experience • Signage • Lighting/landscaping 3.6 Restaurant/Banquet facility • Separate, outdoor BBQ area —tournaments and events • Screen pavilions 3.7 Branding • Environment— Nature preserve • New Name — "Preserve"...The Preserve in the Gardens — Your Natural Golf Experience • Endorsement — Pro golfer/company • 'Disney' Experience