HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes P&Z 082603CITY OF PALM BEACH GARDENS
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
August 26, 2003
MINUTES
The Regular Meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission of the City of Palm Beach Gardens,
Florida, was called to order by Chair Craig Kunkle at 6:30 P.M. in the Council Chambers of the
Municipal Complex, 10500 North Military Trail, Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, and opened with the
Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
REPORT BY GROWTH MANAGEMENT ADMINISTRATOR
There was no report by the Growth Management Administrator.
APPROVAL OF .MINUTES
Mr. Solomon made a motion to approve the minutes of the August 12, 2003 meeting with typographical
errors to be corrected. Mr. Pennell seconded the motion, which carried by unanimous 6 -0 vote.
John Glidden arrived at this point in the meeting, at 6:35 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Betty Laur, Secretary for the meeting called the roll for Planning & Zoning Commission and Local
Planning Agency:
Present
Chairman Craig Kunkle
Chairman Pro Tern John Glidden — arrived at 6:35 p.m.
Joel Channing
Dennis Solomon
Douglas Pennell
Randolph Hansen
Alternate Michael Panczak
Absent
Vice Chairman Barry Present
Also in attendance were Principal Planner Talal Benothman, Planner Natalie Wong, and City Attorney
Christine Tatum.
Recommendation to City Council. (P&Z)
Petition SP- 03 -07: Parcel27.03
A request by Codeur and Hearing, agent for Mall Properties, Ltd., for a site plan approval of a 68, 000
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square foot office building, including a 4,000 square foot bank with three- lane drive - through. The
5.59 acre site is located within the Regional Center Development of Regional Impact (DRI) in the
northwest corner of Kew Gardens Avenue and PGA Boulevard.
Senior Planner Natalie Wong presented the project. Mr. Panczak asked if the fifth waiver was consistent
with PGA Boulevard, to which Ms. Wong responded yes. Mr. Solomon requested clarification regarding
tenant signage. Ms. Wong explained that four signs were vested and the applicant was asking for two
more signs facing PGA Boulevard, and if there were only four tenants the applicant would have six
signs. Brian Chekas with Cotleur and Hearing showed the site location and reported what the applicant
had done to address issues raised at the June 10, 2003 workshop: provided additional landscape
planting, added a berm along PGA Boulevard, added a pedestrian path and seating area in the center
island, changed the turning radius in the access to the bank drive through, and withdrew their request for
a second monument sign. The applicant requested they be able to keep the bright copper colored roof.
Requested waivers were reviewed. Mr. Panczak commented this was a great looking building but the
eyebrow feature seemed out of scalea little large and cumbersome. Mr. Hansen expressed
disappointment that the roof color had not been changed since he thought it would be garish and stated
he would not be able to support the project with the roof that color. Mr. Hansen indicated he did not like
the signage centered on the glass. Mr. Pennell stated he supported all the requested waivers, agreed with
staff on the first floor signs, and stated he was in favor of the proposed roof color. Mr. Pennell expressed
his opinion that by placing the signage on the glass the applicant had sacrificed visibility, but otherwise
strongly supported what had been done. Mr. Solomon requested color boards of exterior colors for
clarification of the yellow on the first two floors. The applicant explained that was a textured type of
finish and the renderer could not accurately depict it on the elevation, and clarified the material and color
from the samples. Mr. Solomon asked if there was rooftop mechanical equipment, towhich the applicant
stated there was but it would not be visible. Mr. Solomon expressed his opinion there were too many
signs on the building and stated he did not agree with tenant identification signs especially since they did
not have six tenants and did not agree that there should be signage on the west side. Mr. Solomon asked
how the proposed roof material would weather, to which the architect responded that it would weather
just like any other metal roof and the copper color would remain the same. Mr. Channing asked where
the blond color was used, to which the architect responded that it was an accent color on the medallions.
Mr. Channing stated he liked the rendered elevation and he would like those colors. The architect
explained that the colors done by Mr. Hearing's office were more accurate. Mr. Channing stated he was
not happy with the roof color, it was too golden, and he would like something more copper and less gold.
Mr. Channing discussed the signage. The applicant explained they were asking for two extra signs so
they could have a sign on PGA Boulevard and on the mall loop road. Mr. Benothman stated nothing was
vested until the city council approved, that the proper term would be "permitted by code ", and he only
saw two bays on the first floor. Clarification of signage ensued: the First National Bank would be a
primary first floor tenant; the applicant was requesting a tenant sign above every entrance to the building,
the tenant signs were larger than the entry signs, the applicant was asking for signage above doors and
those signs would not be large, the size of the letters on the west elevation over the doorways was
approximately 12 " -18 ". Mr. Channing stated he would leave discussion of the signage to Mr. Glidden
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and his only problem with signage was they should not have more tenant signs. Mr. Glidden indicated
the sidewalk should be around the perimeter of the project and should be extended where it stopped.
Donaldson. Hearing responded that people did not walk along the mall loop road because it just did not
make sense and they would be glad to look at it, but he would be very concerned if a perimeter sidewalk
was mandated because it would add dollars to the project that the applicant believed unnecessary. Mr.
Glidden advised the City was trying to encourage walking by placing sidewalks in many locations and he
would defer to staff about that. Mr. Glidden expressed his opinion there would be a lot of people
walking from this project to the mall and asked staff to carefully study this, looking at the comprehensive
plan and LDR's and design guidelines. Mr. Glidden stated he liked the massing of the building.
Regarding tenant signage, Mr. Glidden expressed his opinion that it did not matter how many tenants
there were, and unless the commission felt the signage was over done, so long as it was tasteful they
should grant the waivers, and he was in favor of approving the signs as shown no matter who got what
signs; however, he would not agree with too much signage on a given face. Mr. Glidden stated letters
should not be taller or wider than shown. Mr. Glidden stated he supported the waiver for the top signs
but suggested a stucco feature could be created for the lettering. Mr. Glidden stated he would prefer the
signage back on the side where it had originally been than to have the sign channels, which made the
sign look like an afterthought. Mr. Glidden stated he was okay with the colors. Mr. Glidden agreed the
copper color for the roof was too bright for the project and pointed out a darker version in a photo that
might be more appropriate. Mr. Hearing commented the applicant could look at the same type roof and
color from another manufacturer. Mr. Glidden suggested an opaque warmer color. The applicant
confirmed this was a tilt wall building and shadow lines were discussed. The applicant was advised that
there were enough commissioners for a consensus that they were not thrilled with the artificial copper
color of the roof. Chair Kunkle stated the roof was too bright. Mr. Kunkle advised that the commission
was not going to pick an alternate color but requested that between now and City Council presentation
that the applicant move in the direction of old penny color as opposed to a new penny color. Chair
Kunkle commented that Mr. Hearing's landscaping projects always turned out well but requested this
landscaping be consistent with that already on PGA Boulevard and if a couple of species needed to be
increased for consistency purposes that the applicant do so. Mr. Hearing agreed. Chair Kunkle stated he
had no sign problems. Mr. Channing stated he had picked another color for the applicant to consider.
MOTION:
Mr. Channing made a motion to approve Petition SO -03 -07 with the following stipulations:
1. The metal roof color shall be Brownstone Signature 300 Standard Colors as shown on the color
sheet of Metal Roof and Wall Systems.
2. Reveals shall have a 60 degree angle instead of a 45 degree angle.
3. There shall be a stucco element created for a backdrop for the main sign of the building as
opposed to metal channels.
4. Signs over the first floor entrances shall be no larger in overall height and width than shown on
the plans.
Mr. Solomon seconded the motion. Mr. Glidden amended the motion to add consideration of addition of
perimeter sidewalks shall be made at the discretion of staff after review of the various city guidelines.
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Ms. Wong advised the comment had been raised at the DRC meeting to provide sidewalks around the
building perimeter, but staff had been satisfied with the central sidewalk connection as proposed. Mr.
Glidden withdrew his amendment. Mr. Glidden called for clarification that the main signage in the
middle of the curved roof element be no greater than shown and that the stucco element to be added to
receive it be at least 150% of the height of the sign, to which Mr. Hearing agreed. Mr. Panczak
commented he would like the copper roof toned down but did not agree that the brownstone would
accomplish what the architect wanted to do. Mr. Hansen stated he was still hesitant to agree on the roof
color from a small size. Mr. Hansen also did not agree with adding a stucco band across the glass and
stated he would be inclined to go back to the signage on the side of the building. Mr. Pennell stated he
could not support the motion which was forcing the applicant into brownstone for the roof and he still
liked the original copper color. Mr. Pennell stated he would like the center sign moved to the right stucco
the way it was on the other side of the building. Mr. Charming commented he agreed with Mr. Hansen
and he hated to make a hasty judgment on the roof color. Mr. Channing suggested the applicant could
come back or City Council could make the decision, but that was not what City Council wanted this
commission to do, and the applicant had been told repeatedly the commission did not like the roof color
and had not presented an alternative. Mr. Charming indicated he had been swayed on the central sign
and agreed he would rather put the sign back to the side and he had changed his mind about the motion.
Mr. Channing withdrew the motion.
Mr. Hearing asked if it would be possible to come back in two weeks just for the signage and roof color
even if at the end of the agenda. Mr. Benothman indicated the staff reports for the next agenda were due
the next day. Chair Kunkle advised that a staff report would not be needed to look at the roof material
options and the sign and he thought it could be done without a staff report. An 8 -1/2" x 11" of the sign
was requested. Mr. Solomon agreed with bringing those two issues back and stated he agreed with
placing the sign on the side. The applicant stipulated to moving the sign to the side, to have 60 degree
angle versus 45 degree angle reveals, that the sizes of the signs would be to scale, and that they would
come back at the next meeting on September 9 when the commission would deal with the roofmaterials
and the applicant would bring larger samples.
Public Hearing and Recommendation to City Council (LPA)
Petition CP- 03 -09: Amendment to the Capital Improvements Element
A city initiated request to amend the Capital Improvements Element of the City of Palm Beach
Gardens Comprehensive Plan to update certain goals, objectives and policies and to include projects
which are necessary for the City to continue to meet its adopted level -of- service standards
Principal Planner Talal Benothman advised there was no power point presentation since the amendment
was all text, and the reason for the request was to update the capital improvement element and to provide
for a process to update the 5 -year capital improvement element every year. Chair Kunkle declared the
public hearing open. Hearing no comments from the public, Chair Kunkle declared the public hearing
closed. Mr. Pennell commented that the support documents led one to believe that with all the growth
bringing in new revenue that eventually taxes would go down. Mr. Benothman commented to keep in
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mind as the city grew expenses would increase. City Attorney Tatum reported that the reason this
process had been undertaken was they were also looking at impact fee ordinances, and Parks &
Recreation and Police impact fees would be increased, and had seen that this element had not been
updated. The law required this element to be updated annually, so the commission would see it every
year in August when City Council was reviewing the budget. Mr. Benothman thanked Barbara Hayes,
assistant to the City Attorney, who had created the entire document from scratch and it had no typos.
MOTION:
Mr. Solomon made a motion to recommend approval to City Council of Petition CP- 03 -09. Mr.
Panczak seconded the motion, which carried by unanimous 7 -0 vote.
OLD BUSINESS
There was no old business to come before the Commission.
NEW BUSINESS
Mr. Glidden commented on how nice Burns Road had turned out and what a miserable example the City
had set for others with a parking lot by the baseball field without one stitch of landscaping to buffer it
from Burns Road, which was embarrassing to him. Mr. Benothman indicated this issue would be taken
up with the City Manager. Mr. Glidden commented the City was not meeting their own code, and if
nothing else, at least the entry to the project along Burns Road should be landscaped.
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ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 8:05 p.m. The next regular meeting will
be held September 9, 2003. /'*,*\A
APPROVED:
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etty Lau f, Secretary for the Meeting
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