HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes P&Z 111098CITY OF PALM BEACH GARDENS
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
November 10, 1998
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The Regular Meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission of the City
of Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, was called to order by Chair Diane
Carlino at 6:30 P.M. in the Assembly Room at the Municipal Complex,
10500 North Military Trail, Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, and opened
with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
ITSKS BY GROWTH ffiANAGMEENT DIRECTOR
Growth Management Director Roxanne Manning announced that an update
of recently reviewed projects and City Council action would be
provided at the next meeting. Mr. Glidden requested that the report
include the remedial landscaping at the life care facility in PGA
National.
• APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of October 13, 1998 - Mr. Pisani made a motion to approve the
minutes of the October 13, 1998 meeting as submitted. Mr. Solomon
seconded the motion. Motion carried by 6 -0 vote.
The roll was called by Jackie Holloman, Secretary for the meeting.
Present Absent
Chair Diane Carlino Alternate Richard Masters
Joel Channing, vice Chair
John Glidden, Chair Pro Tem
John Nedvins
Ralph Pisani
Dennis Solomon
Also present at the meeting were Growth Management Director Roxanne
Manning, City Attorney Carole Wallace Post, Principal Planner Marty
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Minor, Planners John Lindgren and Angela Csinsi, and City Council
Liaison Carl Sabatello.
Growth Management Director Roxanne Manning reported that a meeting had
been held with clergy members at which some very good input had been
received, and that their suggestions would be incorporated into the
second draft of the ordinance, which would be sent to all of them
before a second scheduled meeting. After the second meeting with the
clergy, the draft ordinance would be brought back to the Planning and
Zoning Commission. Completion of the ordinance was expected to take
several months.
Dr. Skip Busch, Pastor of Gardens Presbyterian Church, reported that
construction of a new church site on Hood Road was expected to begin
in March, 1999. Dr. Busch supported leaving parking at one permanent
space for every four permanent seats, and explained that multiple use
• parking was needed by churches to accommodate overflow crowds for
special services.
Pastor Norman Benz, Covenant Community Church, agreed with Dr. Busch
regarding leaving the parking requirements as they were at present.
Pastor Benz requested that consideration be given to the very positive
impact of churches on the community and was against mandating where
churches could be located because of their size. Pastor Benz requested
that the positive impact of larger church facilities be considered in
terms of moral fiber, crime reduction, overall safety and welfare of
the community, and not just traffic impacts, etc. Pastor Benz
expressed his opinion that parking restrictions were not necessary
since capacity in any congregation was usually limited to
approximately 80%-, which could be factored in when considering
parking. Pastor Benz thanked the City for the opportunity to attend
the meeting the previous day and to be heard on this issue.
Glenn Fetter, President of Trinity United Methodist Church, expressed
his appreciation for the previous day's meeting and requested that the
ordinance not affect existing church properties which have sufficient
land for expansion of their sanctuary seating, even in excess of 1,000
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seats, or other components on their church campus.
Pastor Dave Gregg, Christ Fellowship Church, commented that the code
seemed already to address what was required when a church was built
and preferred not to see an ordinance such as was proposed. Pastor
Gregg explained that it was highly impractical to restrict churches
to commercial /industrial areas because of the higher cost of the land.
Pastor Gregg requested that if this ordinance proceeded forward that
setbacks, etc., be changed so that churches could still be located in
residential areas which would allow the community to benefit from the
positive impacts and increase the sense of community, rather than
isolating them to certain areas. Pastor Gregg expressed appreciation
for being allowed to speak at a workshop meeting.
Growth Management Director Manning reported very large church
facilities included all kinds of new services and the City was trying
to allow those uses to come into the community and fit comfortably.
Ms. Manning commented that some items that would be considered would
be differences in the needs of smaller facilities and of different
religions, expansion of existing facilities, and parking. Chair
Carlin questioned whether one of the reasons the ordinance was being
considered was because large church facilities needed to accommodate
auditoriums, campuses, etc., and were not neighborhood churches. The
Growth Management Director explained that was correct and that the
draft ordinance drew a distinction between large facilities and more
traditional churches, which were still allowed to locate in
residential districts. Ms. Manning explained this ordinance was a
part of the overall code revision, and because larger churches drew
their congregations from regions rather than neighborhoods, they were
not considered community churches. Mr. Solomon requested addition of
the word religious on page 2 of the draft ordinance, and deletion of
recognized and established on page 2 and also in section 3, and
changing the word business on page 3,, section 7,C(1)and 7,C(2) to
commercial and changing facility to religious facility in 7,C(1) . At
the bottom of page 3, Mr. Solomon requested more explanation and
possibly an example be added to describe the required parking
language, which he considered to be vague. Attorney Post explained
that language had been taken from Florida case law, but the
suggestions made would be considered.
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Mr. Glidden questioned how seating was calculated, to which Growth
Management Director Manning responded there were two ways - -fixed
seating or 2411 per person, and whatever methodology was arrived at
would be incorporated in the code. Parking requirements were
discussed. Mr. Glidden expressed his opinion that the percentage of
non -paved parking for religious facilities should be a healthy number.
Mr. Glidden expressed his opinion that the issue of allowing existing
churches to expand without moving if they had sufficient land was
important, and that he hoped the ways of calculating the number of
parking spaces would be carefully considered. Ms. Manning explained
that very large facilities had different peak hours than on Sunday
morning; and also commented that limiting large churches to
commercial /industrial zones might be reconsidered in favor of
locations based on land size. Ms. Manning also explained that the
ordinance would acknowledge that churches would have additional people
attending on certain days so that they would not be in violation of
their parking limits at those times. Ms. Pisani questioned how this
ordinance would improve the health, safety and welfare of the
community, to which Growth Management Director Manning responded the
is ordinance was designed to address very large churches which had uses
not typically associated with religious facilities and the zoning code
needed to accommodate the different uses and combinations of uses and
to determine whether they were appropriately placed, whether noise,
setbacks, and traffic issues were addressed. Ms. Manning reported
several complaints from residents regarding new church construction,
slamming car doors, etc. Mr. Pisani expressed his opinion that it was
wrong to limit the number of people who could attend a particular
church. Ms. Manning explained the existing ordinance would impose
hardships on very large churches which wanted non - traditional uses,
and the new ordinance would not limit how large a church could be.
Ms. Manning explained that in a scenario involving an Orthodox Jewish
faith where the members of the congregation were required to walk to
the synagogue, that under the new ordinance that synagogue could be
located anywhere within the City that they could purchase sufficient
land. Chair Carlino reported such ordinances as the one under
consideration had been found not to discriminate. Mr. Pisani
commented he would object to any ordinance that sought to restrict in
any way the action of a church group, and that separation of church
and state might come back to haunt the City. Ms. Manning explained
that the ordinance was being drafted because of Board direction and
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that the existing ordinance was inadequate.
workshop - Petition PUD -98 -02 - Village Square Professional Park
A request by Urban Design Studio, agent for P.P. Park Ltd., for
planned unit development approval. The 2.23 acre -site is zoned
Professional office and is proposed to include a total of 32,500
square feet of office space. The subject property is located on the
west side of Prosperity Paz= Road just south of its intersection with
RCA Boulevard. (8 -42S -439)
Principal Planner Marty Minor reviewed the staff report dated November
10, 1998 and answered questions from the members of the Commission.
It was suggested that loading zones and bicycle parking regulations
be addressed and revised so that these issues would not have to be
constantly addressed.
Henry Skokowski, representative for the petitioner, described the
project. Mr. Glidden requested a sample of the roof tile for the next
• meeting. Mr. Glidden commented that the roof slopes should be the
same on all three buildings, and suggested that the small offset wings
be moved closer together. Mr. Glidden pointed out that the roof plan
and elevation did not match, and believed the elevation was not drawn
correctly. Developer Glen Weller and Mr. Glidden discussed the rood
and Mr. Glidden requested further changes in the roof and objected to
the dead -end parking spaces. Mr. Pisani left the meeting at 7:40 p.m.
Vice Chair Channing recommended that building one not be developed as
one building, recommended more trees in front of the buildings, and
requested assurance that vacant spaces in the mangroves would be
filled in and that the buffer would be preserved. Mr. Solomon agreed
strong buffering was needed. Mr. Skokowski explained that the head
wall controlled the bank, and explained the building design was not
yet known, but where there were no buildings there would be
opportunities to add landscaping. Mr. Skokowksi requested that
building one be allowed to be designed as one building since the
design might have a two -story portion, and changes desired by the
Commission could be made during site plan review. Mr. Glidden pointed
out flaws in the front elevation and requested reveals be labeled.
Chair Carlino summarized the comments which had been made: Roofs of
all three buildings to be matching material, make the roof plan and
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elevation compatible, add guard rails at tree wells, place more trees
in front of the buildings, provide a strong buffer along the
Prosperity Farms Road, and review where mechanical equipment would be
located.
Workshov - Petition PUD -98- 06 - Marina Gardens_ (f. k. a. Sdv_erel- _Xorth
Townhames)
A request by Urban Design Studio, agent for High Field Ltd., Inc., for
planned unit development (PUD) approval of a 63-unit townhome project.
The 7.26 -acre site is located approximately 500 feet to the east of
the intersection of Prosperity Farms Road and Idlewild Road, on the
south side of Idlewild Road. (5 -425 -435)
Principal Planner Marty Minor reviewed the staff report dated November
10, 1998 and displayed the site plan. Mr. Solomon commented that this
project appeared overly dense, turn radius seemed tight, and the
proposal did not meet existing criteria.
• Henry Skokowski, representative for the petitioner, introduced others
present on behalf of the petitioner, provided a history of the site,
and advised this was intended to be a very upscale project. Mr.
Skokowski reported the County was going to improve the drainage system
along Idlewild Road, and an effort was being made to improve
landscaping along that road. Mr. Skokowski commented that the
developer would meet with the neighbors and described landscaping,
architecture, screening, and an overview of the project. Nick
Ninglich displayed architectural elevations including the clubhouse,
landscape treatments, and a fountain in the cul -de -sac area. A color
sample board was displayed and striped awnings were requested.
Mr. Nedvins recommended more detail be added to the side elevation.
Mr. Glidden questioned the queuing plan for cars to stack at the
guardhouse, and suggested moving the guardhouse closer to the gate,
to which Mr. Skokowski responded stacking would occur in the parking
lot. Mr. Glidden supported the awnings and reported discrepancies
between the roof plan and elevations. Landscaping was described. Mr.
Channing suggested additional trees, that Royal Palms have 15' grey
wood and that the hedge be 3' instead of 2', and expressed his
preference for three different colors of solid awnings instead of
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striped awnings. The other members of the commission favored the
striped awnings. Mr. Skokowski reported the petitioner had met with
neighbors who were worried about flooding. Sufficient turning radius
for solid waste trucks was discussed, and advised that driveways would
be platted as well as to the property line on the marina side.
Additional landscaping was discussed.
Workshop - Petition PUD - 9 8 - 07 - City Centre Amendment - Parcel F
Anthony H. Oliver of Oliver Glidden & Partners, Inc., agent for P.G.
Partners, Is seeking approval for: amending the existing PUD
(Ordinance 15, 1997); amending the approved master plan for City
Centre; and for approving the site plan of the unbuil t portion of the
PUD (Parcel F). The amendment proposes reducing the 11 -story building
to 6- stories, adding two drive -up tellers, and reducing the size of
the parking garage. Parcel F is 2.36 acres and is located within City
Centre at the intersection of PGA Boulevard and U.S. Highway One on
the south side of PGA Boulevard. (04 -42S -438)
John Glidden stepped down due to conflict of interest.
Principal Planner Marty Minor reviewed the staff report dated November
10, 1998. Mr. Solomon questioned whether the access was still
justified since building height and stories had been reduced. Mr.
Nedvins questioned the number of handicap spaces and was advised the
number would go back to seven. Mr. Channing expressed his opinion
there were too many internal roads. Mr. Nedvins commented all the
roads were needed for ingress and egress. Concern that another
amendment might be requested in the future was answered that the
petitioner would be subject to review and would have to meet codes in
existence at that time. Ed Oliver, agent for the petitioner,
explained as this was the last remaining parcel, the possibility that
another amendment would be requested was minimal.
John Nedvins left the meeting at 9:10 p.m.
Workshop - Petition PUD -98- 08 - Palm Beach Community College
Performing Arts Center Campus
A request by IWA Architects, Inc., agent for Palm Beach Community
College, for approval for an amendment to the previously approved Palm
Beach Community College Performing Arts Center Planned Unit
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Development (POW, that will incorporate the former YA= site (located
directly to the south) into the PUD and expand an existing building.
The applicant is also requesting approval for a proposed edu - care
facility. The former YMCA site will be used for a 12,000- square -foot
edu -care facility, a 32,000 square -foot media - technology training
facility, and a 2,300 square -foot central chiller area. A 9,750
square -foot theatre training facility is also being proposed, which
would expand the existing theatre. The 14.6 -acre site is located on
the northwest corner of Campus Drive and RCA Boulevard, just south of
Fairchild Avenue. (6 -42S -438)
Mr. Glidden re- joined the meeting at 9:10 p.m.
Principal Planner Marty Minor reviewed the staff report dated November
10, 1998.
Rich Logan, agent for the petitioner, displayed a color elevation and
provided the history behind this project. Mr. Channing questioned why
a green roof was chosen, to which Mr. Logan responded it required less
maintenance. Mr. Channing requested the green color of the roof be
softened. Mr. Glidden requested the parking at the south side of the
Educare building be reworked and that mechanical equipment be screened
and so indicated on the plans. Mr. Solomon questioned the concurrency
language, to which staff responded this project met concurrency. Mr.
Solomon requested a berm be provided for screening on the south side
of RCA Boulevard, and commented that landscaping within the parking
lot seemed skimpy. Chair Carlino requested a legend on the landscape
plan. The graphic scale of the plan was i° = 50,. Mr. Solomon
requested and received verification that the Educare center might be
open to the public at some future date, although that was not
anticipated. Mr. Manning requested a berm between the road and
parking lot. Chair Carlino reviewed the comments which had been made:
Screening along roadway, making sure there was enough landscaping,
roof color, dead end parking, turnaround space,and screening
mechanical equipment.
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There was no old business to come before the Commission.
Chair Carlin requested election of officers for the Planning & Zoning
Commission be scheduled on the next agenda.
City Council Liaison Carl Sabatello recommended petitioners be allowed
to speak before questions were asked of staff. Councilman Sabatello
commented that in the past the City Council had not favored striped
awnings. Mr. Glidden commented the reflective glass in the Stiles
Building looked fine; Mr. Channing did not agree that was reflective
glass. Discussion ensued. Councilman Sabatello clarified that the
City Council did not want hard core mirror glass used in building
exteriors. Growth Management Director Manning commented it made a
• difference in how the glass was used, the level of reflection, and the
amount used.
Mr. Glidden questioned whether a landscape plan had been received for
the PGA National Ryder Cup property.
Chair Carlino announced she would not be able to attend the November
24, 1998 meeting. The possibility of holding the meeting on another
night was discussed, if a poll of the members indicated there would
not be enough for a quorum on November 24.
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There being no further business, upon motion by Mr. Glidden, seconded
by Mr. Solomon, and unanimously carried, the meeting was adjourned at
9:45 p.m. The next meeting will be held November 24, 1998.
Dennis Solomon
(Absent)
Richard Masters, Alternate
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