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Mayor Martino made a presentation to Bob Boniewski, Fire
Department, for ten years of service with the City.
Mayor Martino presented a plaque to Jack White for his
many years of service as a volunteer on the Site Plan &
Appearance Review Committee and Planning & zoning Com-
mission.
RIVIERA BEACH
VMDBIR PROJECT Mayor Martino introduced representatives from Riviera
Beach, Clara Williams, Mayor; Cynthia Becton, City
SCouncil Chairperson; Bruce Guyton, Councilman; and
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CITY COUNCIL
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REGULAR Mursrj.NG
CITY OF FALK BEAM GARDENS
FUME 20, 1991
The Regular Meeting of the City Council of the City of
Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, was called to order by
Mayor Martino at 6:00 P.M., in the Assembly Room at the
Municipal Complex, 10500 North Military Trail, Palm
Beach Gardens, Florida; and opened with the Pledge of
Allegiance to the Flag.
ROLL CAT -r.
The roll was called by the Deputy City Clerk, and
present were: Mayor Martino, Vice Mayor Aldred, Coun-
cilman xiselewski, Councilwoman Monroe, and Councilman
Russo.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
As posted on Agenda and City bulletin boards.
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PRESENTATIONS
Mayor Martino made a presentation to Peter Bergel, Fire
Department, for ten years of service with the City.
Mayor Martino made a presentation to Bob Boniewski, Fire
Department, for ten years of service with the City.
Mayor Martino presented a plaque to Jack White for his
many years of service as a volunteer on the Site Plan &
Appearance Review Committee and Planning & zoning Com-
mission.
RIVIERA BEACH
VMDBIR PROJECT Mayor Martino introduced representatives from Riviera
Beach, Clara Williams, Mayor; Cynthia Becton, City
SCouncil Chairperson; Bruce Guyton, Councilman; and
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• Davendar Kant, Director of Planning & Zoning.
Mayor Martino stated he was pleased with his recent
visit to Riviera Beach and welcomes a frank discussion
of mutual problems and impacts.
Clara Williams, Mayor of Riviera Beach, addressed the
City Council, stating Riviera Beach desperately needs
quality projects, such as woodbine, to develop a strong
economic base and to help in integrating neighborhood
schools by attracting white families.
Councilman Bruce Guyton addressed the Commission stating
revisions have been made to the woodbine Site Plan to
minimize impacts on surrounding communities.
Mr. Davandar Kant, Director of Riviera Beach Planning &
zoning Department, addressed the City Council presenting
a Site Plan of the proposed 1,350 -acre project. Mr.
Kant reviewed surrounding land uses and pointed out site
plan revisions which resulted from discussions with
Mayor Martino, including: reduction of densities,
height restriction of 35' for single - family on the -north
boundary, and locating the highest buildings internal to
the site, with the exception of a 7 -story building
proposed for the eastern portion of the site.
Mr. Kant stated Woodbine will be approximately 200' from
Steeplechase, and approximately 175' from Square Lake,
Mr. Kant advised the amenities package provides for 5
swimming pools, tennis courts and a network of parks.
® Mr. Kant stated a Traffic Study has been updated and
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submitted to the City's Planning & Zoning Department,
which indicates the major impact from this project will
be at the intersection of Blue Heron Blvd. and Military
Trail. In reponse to questions by the City Manager, Mr.
Kant stated the developer has agreed to fund the 6-
laning of Blue Heron Blvd. between I -95 and Military
Trail, and the VA Hospital will widen the portion of
Blue Heron Blvd. west of Military Trail. Mr. Kant
stated after Blue Heron Blvd. is widened, Northlake
Blvd. will be at Level of Service D /E.
In response to questions by Council members, Mr. Kant
advised that 1,374 units are proposed, priced from
$70,000 - $150,000, and a Property Owners' Association
will maintain all common areas. The VA Hospital will
provide a Police Department sub - station to service the
western area. A grocery store and medical offices are
planned for the 160,000 s.f. commercial portion, and
outparcels may include fast food restaurants. Mr. Kant
stated the project is vested from the Countywide Traffic
Performance Standards. 7-he highest density proposed
will be a section of 37 u /p /a, with an overall density
of 10 u /p /a.
Mayor Martino suggested Riviera Beach consider entering
into an interlocal agreement with the County to ensure
impact fees generated from this project will be spent in
• the north county area.
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Councilwoman Monroe asked if a right turn for northbound
traffic on Northlake Blvd. will be provided when the
improvements ire made to Military Trail. Mr. Kant
responded he will research.
The City Council expressed concern with the safety of
school children crossing Military Trail and suggested a
traffic light be installed at the north entrance to the
project. Mr. Kant stated this would not be a problem,
if allowed by the County.
Mayor Martino stated the Woodbine Site Plan has been
improved and that Riviera Beach has been sensitive to
the City's concerns.
.�i�Y 4, 1991
HOLIDAY Attorney William Brant stated the City Charter and Code
would allow for the cancellation of the City Council
meeting scheduled for July 4, 1991.
Councilman Kiselewski made a motion to cancel the
Regular Meeting of the City Council to be held on July
4, 1991, seconded by Councilwoman Monroe. The motion
was unanimously approved by the City Council.
IT04S BY THE
CITY MANALim
HOLLY DR.
=GNMEirC Upon recommendation of the City Manager, Councilman
Kiselewski made a motion to allocate $9,000 from the
Road Improvement Fund for improvements to the intersec-
tion of Holly Drive and Military Trail to provide for
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0 safe traffic movements through the intersection, second
ed by Councilwoman Monroe. The motion was unanimously
approved.
COUNTY'S TPS
pIMJEr_T LIST The City Manager reported that a project list
has been compiled, in compliance with the County's
Traffic Performance Standards Ordinance 90 -40. The list
will be deemed complete after the City Council's deter-
mination of status of the wynfield and Starwood
projects.
PGA BLVD. ROAD
IMPROVE4ENTS The City Manager stated the City has been approved for
$60,000 of matching grant monies for roadway improve-
ments on PGA Boulevard, from I -95 to Military Trail.
® The City's share will be approximately $63,000. This
does not take into consideration future improvements
west of Military Trail.
Councilman Kiselewski stated commitments were made by
the developer of the Radisson and Admiralty projects for
intersection improvements, and suggested contacting the
developer to determine if there is any interest in
assisting the City in this endeavor, in exchange for a
reduction of the amount originally committed.
Mayor Marcino stated this issue will be discussed at one
of the next two meetings.
PUBLIC WORKS/
POLICE DEPTS. The City Manager requested the Council compare costs
eof using a parcel of land at the RCA property to accom-
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modate part of the Public Works Department versus uti-
lizing the DiVosta building for both Public Works and
Police Departments. The City Manager advised that
either site would be workable, however, a determination
must be made as to the amount that could be expect-
ed to be realized from the sale of the Public Works
property, if, in fact, the property can be sold on the
current market, compared to the cost of maintaining
both the RCA and Public Works properties. Councilman
Kiselewski expressed concern with splitting up the
Public Works Department. The City Manager advised that
the existing Public Works facility would house only
heavy equipment, maintenance shop and gas tanks. Mayor
Martino stated this could be discussed during the Capi-
tal Improvements budget workshop.
REPORTS AND XTENS
BY MAY6 ARD COUNCXL
MAYOR MARTINO Mayor Martino requested permission for staff to
advertise the Surgicenter Comprehensive Plan Amendment
and Rezoning as soon as comments are received from the
DCA. Per . concensus of the City Council, Mayor
Martino's request was approved.
Mayor Martino requested permission to wnrk with the
City Attorney to prepare an ordinance to reclaim
project ghost trips. Per a concensus of the City
Council, Mayor Martino's request was approved.
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® VI EG"LDRED Vice Mayor Aldred reported attending a workshop meeting
for the Countywide Planning Council presentation of
procedures, under which municipalities will operate
under the "Countywide Land Use Element ". Vice Mayor
Aldred briefly outlined the procedures and stated he
has asked Rich Walton, Director of Planning & Zoning,
to prepare a summary indicating the differences between
the Countywide Planning Council's performance standards
and those of the City.
COUNCILMAN RUS$O Councilman Russo reported it is his understanding that
residents on silverthorne, adjacent to the Lake Cather-
ine PUD, are being told by salespeople that they can
® use Palm Beach Gardens recreation facilities. City
Council members advised that no such arrangements were
ever discussed.
COUNCXLWOMAN MONROE Councilwoman Monroe stated four City Council meet-
ings are scheduled for the week of July 29, 1991 and
suggested rescheduling one of the budget meetings for
another week. Per a concensus of the City Council, the
budget meeting scheduled for Monday, July 29, will be
rescheduled to Thursday, July 25, 1991. Mayor Martino
directed the City Clerk's Department to send a memo to
the Council advising of the date change.
COUNCILMAN KIS£LEWSKI Councilman Kiselewski reported attending a meeting of
the Metropolitan Planning Organization last week.
Councilman Kiselewski stated that since the MPO meeting
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COMMG'N'I"5 FROM TBE
PUBLIC
SAM CARSILLO Sam Carsillo addressed the City Council re:
Opening the north side of Holly Drive to traffic, with
guardrails for safety of the school children; mainten-
ance of the slopes next to I -95; bicycle paths on Mili-
tary Trail; and ;rite for a Palm Beach Gardens Library.
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scheduled for this date was cancelled due to lack of a
quorum, the municipalities will be asked to appoint
first and second alternate members.
Councilman Kiselewski stated he has been receiving calls
from residents who feel the telephone poles should be
removed along Military Trail.
Councilman Kiselewski commented on the newspaper article
regarding the Divosta Building artwork, stating he
expressed his feelings about this issue at the Arts
Advisory Council meeting and quoted from the minutes of
that meeting: "Don Kiselewski explained that the intent
of the Art ordinance was to place art throughout the
City and not to provide a living for artists."
PAID! I3P.AQi GARDENS
YOUTH ATW-WIC ASSN.
Councilman Kiselewski made a motion to provide $100 for
each resident member, of the three teams requesting
support, with the Palm Beach Gardens Youth Athletic
Association (30 residents @ $100 = $3,000), to be taken
from Council Contingency, seconded by Councilwoman
Monroe. The motion was unanimously approved.
COMMG'N'I"5 FROM TBE
PUBLIC
SAM CARSILLO Sam Carsillo addressed the City Council re:
Opening the north side of Holly Drive to traffic, with
guardrails for safety of the school children; mainten-
ance of the slopes next to I -95; bicycle paths on Mili-
tary Trail; and ;rite for a Palm Beach Gardens Library.
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AGENDA Councilwoman Monroe made a motion to approve the follow-
ing items on the Consent Agenda, seconded by Councilman
Kiselewski.
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1. Approval of Minutes of 6/6/91 Regular City Council
Meeting.
2. Approval of Mnutes of 6/13/91 City Council Special
Workshop Meeting.
3. Proclamation - Proclaiming 7/4/91 as Florida
veterans Day.
4. Resolution 68, 1991 - Approval of Replat of Graemoor
Terrace and Alnwick road.
5. Resolution 69, 1991 - Florida Inland Navigation
District Waterways Assistance Program
6. Resolution 77, 1991 - Approving & accepting Appendix
to Interlocal Agreement approved by Res. 53, 1990,
to Florida Emergency Telephone Act Budget for period
of 10/1/91 to 9/30/92 for the E -911 System.
7. Resolution 78, 1991 - Requesting the portion of the
Palm Beach County EMS Surcharge Award Program Funds.
The motion was unanimously approved by the City Council.
`OLUTION
71, 1991
Rich Walton, Director of Planning & Zoning, addressed
the City Council regarding the request by Urban Design
Studio, authorized agent for Channing Corporation xx, to
amind the Villa D'Este PUD to allow for three n•w resi-
dential models.
Hank Skokcwski, Urban Design Studio, stated the peti-
tioner is requesting an amendment to be able to offer
the option of 1 -car garages. The additional square
footage will be used to enhance the living aad dining
areas, not to provide an additional bedroom.
Councilman Russo expressed concern with there being no
way to monitor the storage situation, and stated that
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with the density of the project, additional on- street
parking would he a problem.
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® Councilwoman Monroe expressed concern that eliminating
2 -car garages would encourage on- street parking on the
narrow roads.
Mr. Skokowski stated 19 guest parking spaces have been
provided, distributed throughout the project, and 8
extra spaces are located at the Recreation Center.
After discussion, Councilman Kiselewski made a motion to
approve the amendment to villa D'Este PUB, providing for
new model homes for the small units only, Models Al and
51, eliminating Model C1, seconded by Vice Mayor Aldred.
During discussion, Councilman Russo stated he would not
feel comfortable approving the amendment because of the
Fire Department's letter expressing concern with access
for emergency vehicles, and the possibility of Increased
on- street parking. Councilman Russo stated this could
pose possible liability to the City. Mayor Martino
stated the Fire Department originally approved the
project, and concerns should have been addressed at that
time.
The Deputy City Clerk was directe-1 to make the following
amendments to Resolution 71, 1991: Change "three" to
"two" models in the title. Change "three" to "two" in
Section 1, line 4, and add "Al & B1" after "New Models ".
In Section 1, M3 add "Al & B1 only" after "New Models ".
Per a concensus of the City Council, the Deputy City
® Clerk read, in its entirety, Resolution 71, 1991, incor-
porating the amendments.
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The motion was approved by the City Council with a vote
of 3 ayes and 2 nays. The nay votes were cast by Coun-
cilwoman Monroe and Councilman Russo, for reasons previ-
ously stated.
The petitioner was directed to cross out Model C1 on the
plans to eliminate any confusion.
RESOLUTION 72, 1991
FE-SOLUTM 71, 1991
RMSOLUTT(W 74, 1991
KKSOLUTTOR 75, 1
RESOLUTION 76, 1991 Per a concensus of the City Council, resolutions
appointing members to the following advisory boards were
postponed to the City Council meeting of July 18, 1991:
B & E Committee, Code Enforcement Board, Merit System
board, Recreation Advisory Board and Zoning Board of
Appeals.
ORDINANCE 21, 1991 Per a concensus of the City Council, Ordinance 21, 1991,
is to be scheduled for First Reading at the meeting of
July 18, 1991.
IT124S FOR DISCUSSION
WYNFIELD Rich Walton, Planning & Zoning Director, reviewed his
memo dated 6/14/91 summarizing the history and status of
the Wynfield application. Mr. Walton stated the peti-
tioners have requested at least six postponments from
the Planning & Zoning Commission agendas, and a required
Management Plan still has not been submitted.
Raymona Royce, Attorney for the petitioners, addressed
• the City Council. stating he does not believe a Manage-
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® ment Plan is required, however, if it is deemed neces-
sary, it will be included in the Homeowners' Documents
at time of approval.
Mr. Royce rF•c-uested clarification as to when the Manage-
ment Plan is required.
Councilman Kiselewski asked if the petitioners were
willing to make a commitment to meet the County's Traf-
fic Performance Standards ordinance. Attorney Royce
responded the petitioners are prepared to meet the
County standards in effect at the time the Interlocal
Agreement was signed.
A discussion ensued regarding whether or not Wynfield is
a "vested" project. The City Manager stated the peti-
tioners believe they are vested and the burden of proof
lies with them.
Mr. Walton stated the roadway improvements required for
this project could total $53 million. Mr. Royce advised
that whatever improvements are necessary will be complet-
ed as the project develops. Mr. Royce stated the
County has coricurred with the list of conditions estab-
lished by the Planning and zoning Commission.
After further discussion, Vice Mayor Aldred made a
motion to reinstate the Wynfield petition, with the
provision that prior to issuance of any building permit,
a Management Plan be submitted, seconded by Councilman
Russo. The motion was unanimously approved by the City
Council.
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STARWOOD Rich Walton, Planning & Zoning Director, addressed the
city Council stating this project has not been heard by
the Planning & zoning Commission, and a Traffic Report
and Management Plan have not been submitted. Mr. Walton
explained that at the time the Starwood application was
submitted, an administrative decision was made to pro-
ceed with the annexation only, not zoning at that time.
In response to questions by Mayor Martino, Mr. Walton
stated the application package was considered substan-
tially complete. Mayor Martino stated if we accepted
the application and they met our requirements, the
project should stand.
Councilwoman Monroe stated this project has not had the
overwhelming problems Wynfield has had and it could have
gone forward. Councilman Russo said he agrees, but the
petitioners have an investment and they should be al-
lowed to go forward.
Councilman KiEtelewski expressed concern with the possi-
bility of the petitioners obtaining project approval and
then selling the propert;. Mr. Macintosh stated he
intends to be with the project through its completion.
Vice Mayor Aldred made a motion to reinstate the Star -
wood petition, seconded by Councilman Russo.
During discussion the City Council advised the petition-
ers that if more postponements are requested, this
approval will be withdrawn.
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SThe motion was approved by the City Council with a vote
of 4 ayes and 1 nay, with the nay vote cast by Council-
woman Monroe, for reasons previously stated.
Comfort Tnrn
Rich Walton, Planning & Zoning Director, addressed the
City Council regarding a petition by Donaldson Hearing,
authorized agent for Devitt - Tolley Partnership, request-
ing a 5 -year extention of time for compliance with the
requirements of Section 5 of Ordinance 53, 1988, for the
Comfort Inn (f /k /a Garden Suites Hotel PUD). In re-
sponse to Vice Mayor Aldred, Mr. Walton stated the
petitioner has agreed to the Council's proposal, as
discussed at the last meeting.
Mr. Donaldson Hearing, GBS &H Architects, addressed the
City Council stating the petitioner has an obligation to
renovate the bank building. Mr. Hearing stated that
within 90 days the drive -thru will be removed and the
souther'y ingress will be closed and landscaped.
Per a concensus of the City Council, the City Attorney
was directed to prepare a Resolution, incorporating the
agreed -upon compromise.
PROSPERITY CENTY -H Mr. Rich Walton, Planning & Zoning Director, addressed
the City Council regarding a request by Steve Stevens,
authorized agent for Prosperity Centre Associates, to
modify the approved site plan for Prosperity Centre PUD
40 by reducing the total square footage from 114,960 sq.
ft. to 105,650 sq. ft. Mr. Walton stated the Target
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store petition has been withdrawn.
Mr. Steve Stevens, Prosprity Centre Associates, ad-
dressed the City Council stating the proposed modifica-
tions include eliminating the 2nd story and reducing the
size of -the restaurant. A traffic study, prepared by
Kimley -Horn, indicates these modifications will reduce
traffic by 360 trips per day.
In response to Councilwoman Monroe, Mr. Stevens stated
new elevations will be provided.
Per a concen$us of the City Council, the City Attorney
was directed to prepare a Resolution for consideration
of approval at the Regular Meeting of July 16, 1991.
There being no further business to discuss, the meeting
was adjourned at 12:20 —A.M.
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MAYOR MICHAEL MARTINO
VICE MAYOR DICK ALDRED
JEAN LONG, DEEP CITY CLERK
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COUNCILWOMAN LINDA MONROE
COUNCTLI -" DON KISELEWSKI
COUSCILMAN JOE RUSSO
EXCERPT FROM REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
JUNE 20, 1991
RE: RESOLUTION 71, 1991
Kiselewski: I would move for the adoption of Resolution 71,
1991.
Aldred: Second.
Martino: Discussion?
Russo: Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. I am not going to be voting
for this. I think the spirit of cooperation is
positive. I think the units still should have been
limited- -they weren't. I believe that anytime we
vote for an ordinance and for a change and our Fire
Department does not give the approval, I believe we
are opening ourselves up for liability. If they
have to get down the street with the equipment and
they can't get down the street, I'd hate to see what
could happen with those homes so close together in
order to stop a fire. I don't know that this is
right either. I don't know that this report is
correct, but I believe for the record that this
report in order to move liability away from this
City Council should be changed to a point whereby
either it is a problem or it's not a problem. But
I believe if something did happen, this City Council
could be sued for not acting properly.
Martino: Of further discussion, I have two points. One
is... are the site plans that we're talking about
going to be attached to this resolution? Are they
specific? Why can't we just "X" out the model so
there's no question. Okay? Would you... 11X11 the
model out? Because if it gets over to the Building
Department and then the next thing you know we've
got one.
As far as the Fire Department is concerned, this is
one of the issues probably...I know Pete was here
earlier and I said a lot of nice things about him,
and I meant everything I said, but I do have a
little bit of a disagreement - -not a little bit, a
lot of disagreement here - -with the Fire Department
putting this thing into the record in the form they
did. They reviewed this project to begin with,
accepted the streets at this width. There's no
reason why you can't move a fire vehicle down a 20-
foot wide street even if there is parking there.
Beyond that, if there ever is an emergency that
requires a fire vehicle to move a vehicle, they are
built to such a degree that they are capable of
doing that. So Peter needs to ... and the Fire
Department need to address these things if they have
a problem when they should be addressed and that's
when the project was approved. There's nothing on
the file to show that they had a problem then. I
don't, having built fire equipment, understand why
the comment is made the way it is. Fire equipment
is not 10 feet wide. Fire equipment is made to
specifications and has certain widths so that it can
traverse streets in a safe fashion. So I don't
understand the comment. I disagree with the
comment, and I don't think it opens the City up to
any liabilities because it merely conflicts with
what they originally laid into the record. And I'm
with you Joe, it should be torn from the file and
should be retracted, and I would prefer that the
Administration gets that handled.
H. Skokowski: ..I'll be happy to meet with Mr. Bergel. I frankly
think he's misinformed on the project and his
opinion will change....
Martino: We need to also have the Administration handle this.
Mr. Russo brought it up.
Kiselewski: I would submit to you that each street in.the City
would have exactly the same problem. There's a 24-
foot street in front of my house that I've called
the Police Department twice this week for guys
parking their lawn maintenance thing on it. Yeah,
if you're going to violate the law, you're going to
create problems.
Martino: That's right.
Monroe: Mr. Chairman, I wasn't going to say anything, but
based on those two comments I feel compelled to do
SO. First of all, Don, I would contend that this
is not quite the same as your street. You have
wider pavement, you have swales that do not and for
the most part have trees parked in ... and there may
be a few illegally parked where you can't get an 8-
foot vehicle off the road. And some people do park
on the street, but at least I think in my
neighborhood the majority of the people will pull
off in the swale . There's a few that' 11 park on the
street that don't want to get in the swale, but
generally you're not obligated because of the
constraints of ... here you've got trees, you've got
driveways where you will probably have two cars in
them. You don't have a lot of options in an area
like this. You've got 20 feet of pavement and then
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the so- called gutter, so you're not going to be able
to do anything but keep them in that general area.
The second thing that I would like to say is I would
hate to think that our Fire Department would be
muzzled if that's what they believe, and I think
maybe, two things, the first time around when this
project came to us, it had a two -car garage. Now
they're asking to comment on a change. This isn't
what the Fire Department commented on the first time
around. This is something new that has a tendency
to put more on-the streets. No one's got a crystal
ball to know today or 20 years from now how many
that might be. But the odds are there will be some
more; how many, we don't know. The other thing is
if any department within the City or any of us
Council members voted one way in the past or had a
philosophy in the past and because of experience,
maturity, learning, whatever, observation that you
change your opinion, I would hate to think that I
could never grow in my position. I probably
voted ... had considerably different philosophies 10
years ago. Some of them maybe were better, some of
them maybe weren't. But I would think also, we were
talking about Pete Bergel..., if he's learning from
developments in the City that, maybe this isn't the
best thing, I want him to have that opportunity to
say that.
Martino: Nobody's trying to muzzle anybody, Linda. My
comments...
Monroe: But you're talking about tearing something out of
the record...I don't...
Martino: My comment is this. It was in response to Joe's
comment which he put into the record; it has to be
covered. The way Mr. Bergel wrote this letter is
in direct conflict with the way the Fire Department
approved the project to begin with. If he would
have written the letter and made reference to the
fact that the reason he now has a concern about this
project is the very fact that the models are being
changed to one degree or another, I could accept
everything you're saying. He's not saying that.
He's going right back to the width of the roads
which are not a problem.
Monroe: But he said elimination of any additional parking
spaces will result in on- street parking of guest
vehicles. This will present a major problem for
Fire Department emergency vehicles emergency access
due to the narrow 20 -foot roads. He's directly
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tieing that to additional cars, not the original
approval but to additional vehicles.
Martino: He's talking about the width of the pavement. He's
talking about narrow 20 -foot roads which are ... you
know, I'm not a fire professional, but I want to
tell you that the width of the road should have
little to do with whether a vehicle can move up and
down it. What his problem is, if he's raising a
problem, is he is suggesting that because we're
eliminating a garage space that vehicle may park on
the street. That's where the problem and the rub
is. That's what he needs to say. He should not
even talk about the width of the pavement. If he
wants to say that, I don't have probably a
disagreement with that statement; but we cannot let
a record of the City Council at anytime suggest that
we're putting ourselves in a libelous position. I
don't feel we are. I feel that the Fire Department
has contradicted itselves here by virtue of this
letter. That's all I'm saying, and I think that
it's clear...
Russo: ...want them to clarify...
Martino: We need clarification.
Kiselewski: I want one thing understood. I've worked this whole
compromise or at least started compromising with the
thought that cars that park on the street are going
to be ticketed.
Monroe: What? How?
R. Walton: ...private streets...
Monroe: They can park all they want to.
Russo: You can't even get down my street in Marlwood in PGA
National. It's like a .... the security can't ... they
just don't do it.
Kiselewski: Now hold on just a minute. We've got an ordinance
in the City whether they're private streets or
public streets that says you cannot park on a lane
of traffic. Yes, we do. Why do you think...
Aldred: I don't believe that it pertains to private roads.
Russo: ...the police drive up and down PGA National...
Martino: The city thinks it doesn't apply, Don, I didn't
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think it did either. If there's no other
discussion, let's see if we can bring this to a
conclusion. All those in favor of the motion,
please signify by saying "aye ". opposed? Three,
two. (Russo and Monroe voted "no ".)
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